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well this is a very hot topic and I

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appreciate the question I know

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admittedly unidentified aerial

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phenomenon task force is quite a

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mouthful in an acronym you know I've

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gotten that question a couple other

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times you know what do you think about

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UFOs or or aliens and and quite frankly

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is uh having flown

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um 83 different airplanes and and had

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lots of hours we've all seen lots of

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unexplainable uh elements and you know

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the cosmos the the the the the space

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realm is so large uh if we look at the

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the Earth it is this you know tiny blue

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dot in a in an unlimited uh almost

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incomprehensibly large Cosmos I

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personally believe that they're

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absolutely from a probability

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perspective is is is is life out there

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however this task force is is a very

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serious U.S government to Pro to

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systematically investigating and

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understanding these because of course

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unidentified elements uh present a

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national security concern present a

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safety of flight present a risk that we

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must take and diligently pursue

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but I think the the question is is

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actually more broadly put and that is is

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we will continue this effort and in fact

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I believe it will be getting more

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funding

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um and and more of a a structural

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support level uh within the department

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but I also believe that this is part of

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our never-ending quest to learn and

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understand and explore and as we have on

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our probes that have exited the solar

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system to uh our probes to the Moon we

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have gone in peace to explore and

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discover and we continue that yearning

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to see and discover is there a life out

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what does that mean for Humanity and uh

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secondly off of uaps is there any

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cooperation with allies or Partners on

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the UAP question and probe uh thank you

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very much

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I think the second part of your question

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uh was related to UAP or unidentified

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aerial uh phenomenon and that UAP task

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um and and as far as I'm concerned or

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I'm knowledgeable above about that I do

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believe it does involve collaborative

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inputs and

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um information exchange with all kinds

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of countries around the globe because I

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think these are not just uh solely

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actions or or or uh events that occurred

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within the con confines in the United

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States they've they've occurred globally

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and I think we're collecting that

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information uh we're sharing information

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we view that as an open and transparent

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effort and activity through uh through

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the United States Congress and and

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executed by our UAP task force office

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and so I I I would encourage greater uh

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collaboration and cooperation in that

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and particularly I think as we see uh

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various technologies that will help uh

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demystify or debunk or clarify

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um but but I think it's also important

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National Security concerns are of

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Paramount importance and so is safety of

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flight and deconfliction and collision

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avoidance and and issues to preserve and

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protect human life so when we can uh we

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when we can better share and exchange

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information I think that's better much

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like we do in the international civil

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aviation organization or otherwise known

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as Iko uh or in any other International

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bodies as well I think there's a fertile

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an important opportunity to be pursued

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what's up everybody

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I hope you're enjoying it this wonderful

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Tuesday afternoon uh I have a few things

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planned maybe a couple articles

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um take you through the entire history

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of congressional interest

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in UAP I think you'll find some of it

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quite fascinating so I can't wait to get

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into it with you

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and yeah let's roll

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what's up yeah I love that song too

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thanks Christian I appreciate it maybe

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I'll make it a full song maybe do some

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lyrics that kind of thing I don't know

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we'll see I do like that song it's

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pretty grooving

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I like the horns especially so uh thanks

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everybody for joining us here we have

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um Christian Morales Andres Jose LC uh

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86 race 66 uh Escape v f x

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l c Sheck fillets in the house I

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appreciate everybody coming hanging out

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we're gonna go over a couple different

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things you know we have the hearings

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streaming it live apparently a good

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amount of other people are also

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streaming live so that's interesting

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you know if we're in like the Guinness

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Book of World Records for that are we

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the first people to ever stream a

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um but that's what I'm curious and so

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we're going to do that tomorrow we have

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um that's going to start at 9 30. sorry

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I'm sorry kind of uh aloof here I'm I'm

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looking for something that I want to

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show you on my phone so

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I can bring that up so hopefully you'll

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be with us then uh it'll be a good time

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tomorrow morning bright and early so you

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so it's going to be awesome also on the

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last show I'll let you guys know that I

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what questions they would like to see

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some people filled it out and I put

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together this wonderful chart so we can

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there so the people who participated the

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um uh more from Arrow they wanted to

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know more about the top one was what

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data has been collected that 26.67 so

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they want to know what data I think

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crash retrievals of Unknown Origin I'm

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surprised that wasn't number one to be

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historical or Legacy and currently

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attempts budget issues stifling Arrow so

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the bottom issue here the budget Aero

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efforts well that's going to make for a

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great recipe for hearing success so

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uh top three questions where we got some

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pretty good questions in so uh that's

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pretty cool does zero have any sensor

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data of UAP underwater or in space if so

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when can the public see that data

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people in the world be showing you AP

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videos and pictures without compromising

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how can unelected officials who have

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actively worked against the public

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interest remain employed

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from their positions I love those uh

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questions those are fantastic

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three best questions and that's how he

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came up with those so pretty interesting

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to see uh what turned out there so I

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actually called Senator gillibrand uh

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assistants and she hooked me up with a

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good way to get those questions in front

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of her so that's pretty good news I

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don't know that she's going to ask any

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have them be submitted and to look at

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them is is pretty cool so

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um the first article I thought we could

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a little article uh with the hearings

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thoughts known what questions would be

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um to you know listen to to read his

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work to kind of get a feel on the right

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directions to look for stuff as this is

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clearly someone who would know

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so he says thoughts about the security

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of U.S airspace in advance of the

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pending hearing hearing with arrow

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Chinese spy balloons generated

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Sensational press attention earlier this

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year but they are no longer a

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significant problem now that we have

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adjusted our air defense radar systems

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large balloons can easily be detected

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and if necessary destroyed long before

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they reached the U.S however before

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concluding that U.S airspace is secure

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consider these disturbing incidents

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documented by investigative journalists

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we don't have time to get into those but

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they're pretty good articles and I'll

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um so it says to the best of his

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knowledge none of these incidents have

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has been resolved even more worrisome

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these events are certainly no more than

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a small fraction a total number of

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unresolved intrusions unfortunately the

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taxpayers has no way of knowing the true

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scale of the problem or the adequacy of

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U.S air defense capabilities since one

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NORAD itself was probably not notified

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uh events in the Pacific that are not in

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its jurisdiction indeed I have it on

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good authority that Norad was not even

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aware of the innumerable uip intrusions

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of DOD test ranges off the east coast of

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the U.S from 2015 to 2017. that's pretty

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noretta in the USAF share little

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information regarding violations of U.S

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example the new Aero office was not

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notified NORAD of the incident above

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involving mysterious aircraft that flew

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across the Pacific Northwest causing

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NORAD to launch fighter aircraft on

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strip Alert in Oregon 2017.

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many thought Arrow was created precisely

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for the purpose of investigating such

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UAP intrusions yet that information was

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not provided to Arrow indeed I do not

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believe any member of Congress knows

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whether NORAD has scrambled Jets 10

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times or a thousand times to chase

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unidentified aircraft over the last

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I do not believe any of the oversight

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committees has a clear sense of how

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often norad's multi-billion dollar radar

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and space surveillance systems detect

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intrusions of U.S airspace by some

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accounts NORAD detects over a thousand

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uncorrelated targets operating over

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North America annually

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wow

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that's amazing a thousand uncorrelated

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targets

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I know a little bit about those

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did some research on uncorrelated

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targets pretty interesting stuff I don't

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have time to get into it right now but

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at some point maybe I will

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one reason for the current dysfunctional

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State of Affairs is the often

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excessively high levels of

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classification employed by the Air Force

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and now the space force when I served as

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the deputy assistant secretary of

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defense for intelligence there were

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numerous programs I was privy to that

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not even the chairman or ranking members

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of intelligence committees could be

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briefed on pursuant to section 119 of

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title 10 which establishes

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wave special access programs

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those who think the government can't

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keep secrets are wildly Off the Mark the

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defense department for the most part

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does a splendid job with these programs

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unlike the frequent leaks of

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intelligence data we see all too often

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the only compromise of any of these sap

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programs that I can recall during my

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time at DOD was simply the result of

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using that system in combat

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unfortunately the reality is that the

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handful of members who are cleared for

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these closely held programs rarely find

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time to receive briefings on them

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on the rare occasions when they did they

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only had time for the most cursory high

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level review I believe a somewhat larger

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group in Congress needs far more

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detailed and specificity to determine

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the extent of the threat to U.S airspace

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and the adequacy of U.S air defenses

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this will require some staff access to

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highly car

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compartmented space defense data in

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programs to facilitate a proper inquiry

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in the meantime I hope Congress will

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hold a hearing with the commander of

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NORAD the Director of National

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Intelligence in the U.S Air Force Chief

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of Staff to drill down on the numbers

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and kinds of aircraft violating U.S

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airspace

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I think that would be fantastic

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high on the agenda should be the

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effectiveness of massive solid

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state-phased array Radars that monitor

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the approaches to North America this is

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essential if we are to determine the

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effective effectiveness of America's

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massive multi-billion dollar air defense

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in light of the Chinese balloon incident

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and many other unsolved intrusions over

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vital installations and accounting is

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urgently needed especially as tensions

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grow with Beijing which is likely

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responsible for a number of these

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incidents

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very interesting eh

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so Mr Chris Millen is saying that

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Beijing might be responsible for some of

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pretty interesting

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um not surprising though in the meantime

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here are some questions members of

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Senate armed services committee might

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consider asking Dr Kirkpatrick on

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Wednesday Dr Kirkpatrick doesn't know

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the answers to the following questions

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he should seek the answers and provide

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them to the Congressional oversight

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committees for the record how many UAP

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have been reported to aerobase

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principally or solely on their detection

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by the sspar radar Network

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that's pretty detailed

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and and how many cases did these

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detections lead to the launch of the U.S

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now here well I guess he's talking about

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a specific radar Network so I would say

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because

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Blue Book days we know that happened uh

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often so

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but yeah I don't know how it goes now

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is Aero privy to reporting from Canadian

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NORAD military components if so how many

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such reporters have been received if not

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uh why not there seems to be some

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confusion about the outstanding number

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of currently unresolved UAP reports what

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is the current total number

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the radar at Beale Air Force Base detect

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any of the UAP observed by U.S Navy

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radar operators aboard the USS Princeton

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from the 12th to the 14th of November

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2004.

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Tic Tac those UAP reportedly descended

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from extremely high altitude since

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they're visible to the USS princess by

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one radar they should also have been

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visible the U.S Air Force personnel

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operating the far more powerful radar

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appeal if they weren't does this not

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suggest a major shortcoming that needs

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to be addressed he's I mean obviously

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this guy knows what he's talking about

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so I think that

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uh Mr Christopher Mellon should probably

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just go to these hearings dress up as

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one of the representatives and ask the

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questions himself you

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if we want the right questions answered

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I don't see uh how we could get a better

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person uh to ask them than Mr

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Christopher melon

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as we can see here

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so

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probably listen to Mr Christopher Mellon

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um it's also got as noted since 2019

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there have been a series of incidents

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involving close range surveillance of

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U.S Navy warships operating off the

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southern coast of Southern California

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these incidents have occurred almost

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directly in front of the powerful radar

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at Beale again did Bill radar detect any

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I'm

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yeah

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um that would be fantastic to get that

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answer

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U.S Navy aviators began seeing bizarre

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UAP violating restricted DOD airspace

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off the east coast of the U.S beginning

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in 2015. some Pilots such as former F-18

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Aviator Lieutenant Graves reported uh

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encountering these objects almost every

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time they conducted training exercises

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in the area

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the radar Cape Cod detect any of these

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um if not what needs to be done to

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enhance the effectiveness of these

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radar Network operates without

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interruption and covers immense regions

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including some regions off near Earth

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space inevitably these systems detect

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Anonymous objects

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records obtained through foia and

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testimony of retired military personnel

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indicate that on occasion objects

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demonstrating extreme even unprecedented

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capabilities have been detected what

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access is Dr Kirkpatrick had to NORAD

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data about anomalous objects detected by

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U.S air and space defense as he

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satisfied that he has been granted

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access to all pertinent information

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and since the first famous American

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sighting of UAP by Kenneth Arnold in the

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40s tens of thousands of witnesses have

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reported UAP appearing to move silently

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at supersonic speeds

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such reporting is commonplace

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these vehicles also generally do not

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appear to issue exhaust or have air

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intakes

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further there is typically no evidence

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of plasma from the intense temperatures

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generated by the friction which would we

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would normally expect to observe at such

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extreme heat

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in other words many UAP do not appear to

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be powered by combustion engines and the

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technology they are using seems to

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negate Sonic booms and friction

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but unique signatures might allow us to

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detect and track craft employing such

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good job Chris good job Chris

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uh we're going to move into the hill by

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Merrick 10 key questions for this week's

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historic UFO hearing bipartisan group of

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lawmakers is doubling down on solving

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the decades-old UFO mystery on Wednesday

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the Senate armed services subcommittee

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on emerging threats and capabilities

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we'll hold a second hearing on the

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phenomenon in over 50 years

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Congressional interest in UFOs also

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known as unidentified anomalous

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phenomena search following the 2017

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publication of eyebrow raising videos

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recorded by Navy fighter jets

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briefings by Naval aviators who

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witnessed the mysterious objects

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maneuvering extraordinary ways

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subsequently paved the way for ground

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breaking at UAP related legislation

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as a result the Department of Defense

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established the all domain anomaly

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resolution office importantly Congress

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granted the office sweeping authority to

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scientifically analyze UFOs that exceed

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the known state-of-the-art in science or

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Tech to cut through the several layers

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of bureaucracy lawmakers mandated that

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arrows director report to top Pentagon

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and intelligence Community leadership

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dop offices director will be the sole

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witness at Wednesday's hearing as such

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lawmakers will likely ask about

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administrative matters

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to include ensuring that Arrow has the

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necessary funding to executed scientific

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Mission well yes that is important

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for their part Republican Senators they

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are likely to sharply criticize the

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Biden administration's response to the

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Chinese surveillance balloon shutdown

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off the U.S east coast in February

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see I think that would be silly to

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address the Chinese by balloon because

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it's not a UAP they could detect it all

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the way from the coast of China

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so I think that should be left out of

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the conversation but

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you know that should be but Federal Law

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requires Arrow to analyze UAP since U.S

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intelligence analysts tracked the mass

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of Chinese surveillance balloon from

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lunch

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uh it was neither anomalous oh there we

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go nor identified the balloon incident

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therefore is not a relevant topic to

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discussion for a hearing focus on your

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own I read my mind

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moreover Pentagon analysts monitored a

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small number of trump-era incursions by

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suspected spy balloons in real time but

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since the objects were officially

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unidentified the reports were not

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disseminated Beyond a tight circle of

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intelligence officials interesting

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leaving senior policy makers in the dark

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Congress established arrows specifically

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to address such information sharing gaps

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Senators participating in this week's

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hearing should focus instead on Military

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reports of unknown craft exhibiting

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extraordinary flight characteristics

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they may consider asking questions such

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um of the 500 plus UAP reports by

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service members in recent years how many

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describe remarkable flight

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characteristics does Arrow have high

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confidence that any UAP exhibited highly

565
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:19,799
advanced technology great question

566
00:23:25,570 --> 00:23:22,320
straight to the point

567
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,580
and we know they do have cases that show

568
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:28,320
crazy flight characteristics

569
00:23:33,409 --> 00:23:31,799
the issue will be tying those uh radar

570
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:33,419
hits and other things to visual

571
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,700
sightings

572
00:23:40,250 --> 00:23:37,919
being able to for sure say that it's a

573
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,260
physical object

574
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:42,539
similarly in 2021 report states that

575
00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:44,520
some uip appeared to remain stationary

576
00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:47,000
and wins Aloft

577
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,620
he addresses the Navy videos or the

578
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,360
objects in the now famous gimbal go fast

579
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,520
Fleer one UAP video still unidentified

580
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:55,919
if so what are arrows working theories

581
00:24:00,130 --> 00:23:57,240
for them

582
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:02,810
rigorous verifiable public analysis of

583
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,740
the Navy videos confirmed fighter pilots

584
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:06,539
accounts that the objects exhibited

585
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:08,340
highly Advanced Technologies are aware

586
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,280
of these open source assessments

587
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,520
uh I think he's talking about his

588
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,620
probably his own he's put a lot of work

589
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,600
in into that and so have a couple other

590
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:20,460
people on Twitter uh into the Navy

591
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:21,780
videos

592
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,039
to fight against the debunking

593
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:27,840
and overall I don't know that it works

594
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:30,299
because they their voices aren't as loud

595
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:32,460
as like a Midwest for instance but I

596
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:38,510
in full disclosure my co-author of a

597
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:40,919
scientific paper on the gimbal video man

598
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:45,590
we should be friends or something just

599
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,000
reading my mind as Arrow characterized

600
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,919
the UAP observed often via multiple

601
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:52,260
sensors by dozens of Naval aviators off

602
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,940
the U.S east coast and Resorts if not

603
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,919
what is error working Arrow's working

604
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:57,720
hypothesis for these highly Anonymous

605
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:00,780
numberless encounters

606
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:02,460
um talks about Kirkpatrick's paper with

607
00:25:09,409 --> 00:25:07,190
um

608
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:09,419
to what extent did recent UAP encounters

609
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:10,740
the most compelling of which occurred

610
00:25:18,169 --> 00:25:12,299
over water and formed the groundbreaking

611
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:19,669
um do you agree with John Radcliffe's

612
00:25:23,570 --> 00:25:21,780
statement that uaps technologies that

613
00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:23,580
the United States does not have

614
00:25:30,350 --> 00:25:25,980
and frankly that we are not capable of

615
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,450
pretty good how many arrows 500 plus

616
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,679
cases how many UAP related videos and

617
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:36,960
images are in Arrow's possession

618
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,470
oh this is a great one the US government

619
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,279
has a long history of triumphantly

620
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,320
highlighting resolved UAP reports while

621
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:48,240
ignoring downplaying or force-fitting

622
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,760
scientifically absurd explanations onto

623
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:53,039
compelling UAP cases resuppressed

624
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,659
reports suggest that this may be

625
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:56,400
occurring again what steps will arrow

626
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:59,220
take to prevent this that's great I like

627
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,149
that's true I mean and that's part of

628
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:07,200
the Robertson panel at the Air Force and

629
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,980
CIA set up in 53 right so uh there's

630
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:13,200
much less interest involved if the

631
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:15,179
mystery is revealed right so you take a

632
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:19,500
UFO case and you build up the mystery

633
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,059
and then you debunk it with something

634
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:23,220
simple and that gets rid of the mystery

635
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:24,840
and all that kind of stuff and that's

636
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:28,500
what they are worsted quite a bit

637
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:32,760
so but uh you know that's uh that's old

638
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,980
news my friend that is old freaking news

639
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,659
so

640
00:26:45,049 --> 00:26:41,820
um next what we're going to do here

641
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,059
is I'm going to take a little bit of a

642
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:47,460
talking break and we're going to play

643
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:50,940
a news clip with James McDonald Dr James

644
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:57,230
and

645
00:27:03,529 --> 00:26:59,100
you know it's interesting because the

646
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,539
topic is Cia Air Force debunking policy

647
00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:05,580
like we just talked about so this is

648
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,590
I hope you like it

649
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:20,289
it's about five minutes

650
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:23,269
actually what I'm gonna do is make sure

651
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:25,240
that I'm sharing the audio

652
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,580
[Music]

653
00:27:30,730 --> 00:27:29,520
better to just make sure that things are

654
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:30,740
right

655
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,649
I've investigated about 50 or 60 cases

656
00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,000
since I came down to New Zealand and

657
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,460
Australia extremely interesting UFO

658
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,039
sightings a lot of help from a local

659
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:48,960
investigatory groups in Sydney and

660
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,279
Melbourne and have found as I go through

661
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,860
these that the type of sightings are

662
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:57,299
essentially similar to those in the

663
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,440
United States

664
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:01,679
what are the main similarities

665
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,260
persons of really quite High credibility

666
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:06,000
reporting

667
00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,980
unconventional objects

668
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,260
discs cigar-shaped objects frequently at

669
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,120
very low elevation

670
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:14,400
hovering over sometimes urban areas

671
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:17,580
sometimes over cars following cars

672
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:21,059
same kind of public reaction quite a

673
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:22,980
quite a strong similarity to the

674
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,320
American reluctance to report them to

675
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:27,299
official channels because of fear of

676
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,059
ridicule but behind it all a very large

677
00:28:35,769 --> 00:28:32,580
number a a very surprisingly large

678
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,779
number of these sightings of quite

679
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:38,640
unconventional objects maneuvering in

680
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:39,960
our airspace

681
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,179
you have been highly critical of your

682
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,000
own government's attitude towards the

683
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,640
UFOs indeed indeed I have yes the uh

684
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:49,320
I've taken a very good look at the

685
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,299
American official investigation program

686
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,400
Project Blue Book run by the Air Force

687
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,159
and I have uh quite unequivocally

688
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,840
described it to Scientific colleagues

689
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,760
back in the States as superficial and

690
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:01,860
incompetent why has the government taken

691
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,539
this attitude in your opinion

692
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:06,539
it's not not a brief story but it goes

693
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,860
back to 1953 when a CIA involved

694
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,159
investigation was held as a result of

695
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:15,960
the extremely heavy wave of sightings in

696
00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:19,679
1952 the CIA and Air Force became so

697
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,240
concerned over the sheer number of uh

698
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,679
reports that were tying up air American

699
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:27,299
intelligence channels that they wanted

700
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,940
to get this signal out of the system ask

701
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,620
the Air Force the CIA asked the Air

702
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:34,080
Force for a debunking policy the literal

703
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,880
hoarding was to debunk the flying

704
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:38,159
saucers to decrease public interest in

705
00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:41,100
the UFOs regulations were promulgated

706
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,980
very shortly that made it a crime

707
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:45,059
punishable with I think it's ten

708
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,640
thousand dollars fine and or ten years

709
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,440
in prison to release any information at

710
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,720
air base level on UFOs and as a result

711
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:53,940
of that in the sequence of of steady

712
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,360
downgrading the whole problem has been

713
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:59,279
essentially lost from scientific site in

714
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,140
the US and nothing resembling any

715
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,120
scientific investigation has been going

716
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,880
on past 15 years has this been typical

717
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:07,020
of the attitude of most World

718
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,620
governments as nearly as I can tell yes

719
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,200
there seems to be quite surprising

720
00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:15,600
similarity between the official Russian

721
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:18,740
British Australian Canadian American

722
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:22,740
French Italian pronouncements they all

723
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,299
seem to take the view that there's

724
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:26,760
nothing to it there's a lot of nonsense

725
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:30,840
that people see things and that it is

726
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:32,820
not a real scientific problem at all and

727
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:35,220
I most hardly disagree with that you

728
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:38,340
have been as far as the United Nations

729
00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:41,340
with this problem yes about two three

730
00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:42,840
weeks ago on the seventh of this month

731
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:46,380
of June nearly a month ago now I spoke

732
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:48,419
to the outer space Affairs group in the

733
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:49,440
United Nations

734
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,220
urging uh immediate U.N action on this

735
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,799
problem it seems to me that the UN is

736
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:57,960
one of the best places to tackle the

737
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,840
international the global aspects of the

738
00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,299
UFO problem and all evidence now points

739
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:05,940
to it's being a truly Global phenomenon

740
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:09,120
uh utan made a statement at the time I

741
00:31:12,649 --> 00:31:10,500
didn't get to see you Todd that was a

742
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,659
busy day June 7th uh in fact I had a

743
00:31:15,529 --> 00:31:13,980
date to see him at four o'clock and if

744
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,539
it was any one hour that was the peak of

745
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:17,220
the Mideast crisis four o'clock was it

746
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,779
so I unfortunately didn't get to see you

747
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,299
a ton uh but uh quite recently a few

748
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,279
days ago I I got a wire from a phone

749
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:25,320
call from San Francisco uh pointing out

750
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,679
that he had made a statement uh to Drew

751
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,679
Pearson an American colonist that aside

752
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:34,020
from the Vietnamese War the UFO problem

753
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:35,820
is the greatest International problem

754
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:38,760
and I sent him a wire uh strongly

755
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:40,440
endorsing his position but disagreeing

756
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,120
with him to the extent of saying that I

757
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:43,679
believe it's the most important

758
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:52,850
we we have in in the UFO problem a

759
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:56,100
very strange situation here for 20 years

760
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,240
plus

761
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,940
uh essentially similar phenomena have

762
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:02,220
been reported all over the world large

763
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,720
numbers in the U.S

764
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,000
official then ignoring them Air Force is

765
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,220
ignoring them and yet apparently a

766
00:32:12,110 --> 00:32:10,200
steady increase in the numbers of

767
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,120
Reliable Reports from people in all

768
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:14,880
walks of life seeing these objects that

769
00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:16,200
are not products of our technology

770
00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:18,059
they're not meteorological astronomical

771
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:19,080
phenomena

772
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:21,240
hovering at low altitude increasing

773
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:23,220
numbers in urban areas and collectively

774
00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:25,140
we don't know what's going on that's an

775
00:32:30,049 --> 00:32:28,020
extremely unwise situation no matter how

776
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,059
you view it we do not know what is

777
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,880
involved in this problem there are no

778
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,620
strong indications of anything

779
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:37,260
resembling hostility I see some faint

780
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:40,200
indications of Hazard and danger but in

781
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:41,460
general to

782
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,640
to have this possibility that the world

783
00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:46,020
is under something resembling

784
00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:47,940
reconnaissance possibly from some

785
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,580
extraterrestrial source and to go on

786
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,799
about our petty ways collectively

787
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:54,480
doesn't seem to be to be a wise

788
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,039
situation so I'm trying to get

789
00:33:01,789 --> 00:32:58,159
scientists and

790
00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:01,799
governmental uh agencies to take a look

791
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:14,630
James McDonald is

792
00:33:20,990 --> 00:33:18,529
pretty pretty pretty boss he did a great

793
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:21,000
job back in the day somebody mentioned

794
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,940
you would like to see it

795
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,919
um James McDonald these days and his

796
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:28,380
reaction uh on how opinions have changed

797
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,880
you know people are talking about it and

798
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,860
all this kind of stuff I I often think

799
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,600
about that people who passed away have

800
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:35,700
fought so hard for a disclosure on this

801
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:38,460
topic I always think

802
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:40,019
you know man I wish they were around

803
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,279
today

804
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,399
um especially him he was no nonsense

805
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,919
strict data strict details he was a

806
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,720
great guy tragic end to his life for

807
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,940
sure he tried to take his uh his own

808
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:53,519
life uh with a gun it didn't work

809
00:34:00,110 --> 00:33:57,720
and then he did it again and it did work

810
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,120
um yeah a lot of people talk about

811
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:03,179
his death being suspicious

812
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:05,220
I don't know

813
00:34:11,329 --> 00:34:09,780
I can't really answer that but um

814
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,339
you know

815
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,080
people think that a lot in this

816
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:15,720
community about stuff

817
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,820
even John Mack when he died he got hit

818
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,740
by a bus

819
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:22,320
um people thought that

820
00:34:29,409 --> 00:34:26,520
but it's not always a conspiracy

821
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:29,419
um but yeah I really don't know so

822
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,800
the next part of this gig is going to be

823
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:37,679
I am previous Congressional efforts

824
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,060
towards UAP UFO transparency

825
00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:44,159
so there were some efforts back in the

826
00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:48,020
day that date uh from 58 to

827
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,540
66 and the documents the behind the

828
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,280
scenes documents are available via the

829
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,260
Air Force

830
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,900
um in in Project Blue Book and I wanted

831
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:00,660
to do this because I I watched the need

832
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:03,420
to know podcast with Ross coldheart

833
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:05,580
um and Bryce zable yesterday and it was

834
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,080
a great podcast and they brought up the

835
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,880
history a little bit of these um

836
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:10,859
Congressional hearings

837
00:35:14,510 --> 00:35:12,180
um I thought it would be interesting to

838
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:14,520
go into these a little in a little bit

839
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:17,280
of a more detailed fashion as there's

840
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,859
some surprising things that we can find

841
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:22,260
and it's good to know your history so

842
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:24,140
you don't repeat it

843
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,800
so

844
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,480
um we're just gonna go through these bit

845
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:29,700
by bit and

846
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:32,760
yeah hopefully it goes

847
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:34,740
hopefully it goes all right so the first

848
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,140
one is 1958. I'm a Cleveland

849
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,359
subcommittee State Senate committee on

850
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:41,460
investigating government operations so

851
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:43,380
that's the committee who

852
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,040
um

853
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,280
we're looking at now who got briefed so

854
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:50,460
the person is Senator at John McLean

855
00:35:59,089 --> 00:35:57,650
we have the air force uh basically so in

856
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,099
here we see the Air Force thought that

857
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:01,859
they convinced the committee that they

858
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:08,390
so investigators for the McClellan

859
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,780
subcommittee the senate committee on

860
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:11,099
investigating government operations

861
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,500
recently had held informal discussions

862
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:16,320
with us the Air Force

863
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,060
um concerning the advisability of

864
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,619
conducting public hearings on the Air

865
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:22,980
Force's position regarding UFOs the

866
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,900
thing they were concerned with most was

867
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,220
the charge that the Air Force was

868
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:28,079
withholding information on this subject

869
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:31,920
I am sure we convinced them

870
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,260
that that is not the case

871
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:36,060
and as they have since indicated there

872
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,740
is no need for hearings on this subject

873
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:39,540
in view of these findings based upon

874
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:40,859
their preliminary and formal

875
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,900
investigation this office would like to

876
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,700
see the McClellan subcommittee issue a

877
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,980
statement certifying that a prelim

878
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,780
investigation by the committee proved

879
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:50,160
that the Air Force is properly

880
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,920
conducting its investigation of UFOs and

881
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:54,480
is not withholding information on the

882
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,359
subject from the public

883
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,740
if possible the statement should include

884
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,480
the Air Force has a definite public

885
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:02,579
information plan in effect concerning

886
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:03,780
UFOs

887
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,820
request sat film review the possibility

888
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:08,640
and or feasibility or of obtaining such

889
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:10,020
a statement from the McClellan

890
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:12,119
subcommittee so what the Air Force

891
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,400
wanted was an actual statement from the

892
00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:16,560
McClellan subcommittee stating that we

893
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:19,140
trust the Air Force

894
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:22,619
crazy huh they didn't wind up writing

895
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:25,500
that because in their words they weren't

896
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:27,180
if the situation changed they didn't

897
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,530
the subject so we have the committee

898
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,040
head FBI

899
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,320
committee investigators who directly

900
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,079
communicated with the Air Force so this

901
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,480
committee uh went on to investigate the

902
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:44,940
Air Force Project Blue Book and they had

903
00:37:51,530 --> 00:37:47,940
two FBI investigators Donald O'Donald

904
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:51,540
and Jack Healey working on their behalf

905
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:53,339
so but I'll just read this one major

906
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,339
Donald kilo of the national nightcap has

907
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,599
been badgering the members of the

908
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:59,339
McClellan subcommittee the senate

909
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,599
committee on investigating government

910
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,700
operations to hold open hearings on the

911
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,160
question of the existence of UFOs

912
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,960
in this regard investigators for the

913
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,940
subcommittee contacted zafil and a

914
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:10,680
meeting was held on the 31st of January

915
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,619
58 at Thousand hours Mr Horner's office

916
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:15,480
on the Air Force's position regarding

917
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:17,520
possible hearings members of the

918
00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:19,500
committee attending this meeting were as

919
00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:20,579
follows

920
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:23,339
so we got uh William Whitson Deputy for

921
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,859
research and development operations

922
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:27,599
um Lieutenant Williams

923
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:32,160
major Boland major Brian major Tacker

924
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,980
and then we have the FBI investigators

925
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,380
then it says the committee's

926
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,180
investigators simply asked if the Air

927
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,220
Force desired such hearings

928
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,200
why would you ask

929
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,599
if the Air Force wants hearings of

930
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,400
course they don't want hearings Mr

931
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,680
Whitson stated that he did not see the

932
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:51,240
need for it but would cooperate in every

933
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,619
way possible if the committee thought

934
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:54,300
the hearing is necessary

935
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,700
Mr Jack Healey the FBI guy has stated

936
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:58,560
that they wanted a definite Air Force

937
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,839
position Mr Whitson said that he would

938
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,820
have to wait until Mr Hunter returned

939
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,560
but thought Horner would agree with the

940
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:06,000
statement that we would cooperate in

941
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:08,339
every way

942
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,540
oh

943
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:12,240
the two investigators were invited to

944
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,339
visit attic at Ray Patterson Air Force

945
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:16,380
Base for background information they

946
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:17,820
said they would do so if hearings

947
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,140
developed

948
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:21,960
interesting

949
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:25,680
so yeah so they're going to send FBI

950
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,060
investigators

951
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:30,480
um to Ray Patterson Air Force Base

952
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:32,940
uh we already read this

953
00:39:38,030 --> 00:39:35,820
on the right hand side is the end of it

954
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,040
there will be a meeting of this group

955
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:40,380
again this week when Mr Horner returns

956
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,599
and gives us views Tacker pointed out

957
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,400
during the discussions that ois was

958
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:46,140
providing the publicity at the present

959
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:47,880
time on this subject and the request of

960
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:51,540
afci and he stated we would continue to

961
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,060
do so and would cooperate every way with

962
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:56,280
the staff and agencies concerned or with

963
00:40:02,089 --> 00:39:57,960
the Congressional Committee of hearings

964
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:04,130
foreign

965
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,599
that's all we got for that one uh the

966
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:08,700
next one 1958 Air Force briefed

967
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,940
representative Henderson

968
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:13,380
member of the U.S House of

969
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,910
what we have here

970
00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:25,440
um so

971
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:29,180
this was written to the Secretary of

972
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:32,400
Defense by this Mr Henderson

973
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,619
he said I've read with considerable

974
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,020
interest the this is kind of tough to

975
00:40:41,089 --> 00:40:38,640
read right here but I'm going to do my

976
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,099
best interest in the book the report of

977
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:44,220
UFOs by rupelt telling of the work of

978
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,200
Project Blue Book in order to be brought

979
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:48,000
up to date with the report to

980
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,859
information developed since Rupa left

981
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,960
the project I should appreciate having

982
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,000
the answer to several questions briefly

983
00:40:59,150 --> 00:40:56,400
the questions are outlined below Project

984
00:41:00,829 --> 00:40:59,160
Blue Book or some similar project still

985
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:00,839
in operation to receive investigate and

986
00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:04,079
evaluate UFO reports and UFO reports

987
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,060
still continued to come in if so how

988
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:08,160
many since 53

989
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,260
how many are unknowns

990
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:12,599
I think those are a couple questions

991
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:15,359
that we were trying to ask uh

992
00:41:19,010 --> 00:41:16,859
Kirkpatrick tomorrow

993
00:41:21,470 --> 00:41:19,020
have any ever it's been made to get more

994
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:21,480
scientific data on UFOs then is provided

995
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:23,940
by visual sightings uh by ground air

996
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:25,619
observers visual observance radar

997
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,020
equipment for example I have any films

998
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,119
been made of radar screens when if UFO

999
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:32,520
has picked up yes have any efforts been

1000
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,320
made accurately to track and triangle

1001
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,660
UFOs yes so

1002
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,700
so as tests conducted to ascertain

1003
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:40,560
whether they're

1004
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,300
is a connection between background

1005
00:41:45,890 --> 00:41:44,280
radiation and the presence of UFOs

1006
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,900
interesting

1007
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:48,000
if we watch Skinwalker Ranch that's a

1008
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:50,040
Hot Topic background radiation and UFOs

1009
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,500
if you go to my website

1010
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,640
whittoncitizen.com I have a story about

1011
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,180
that as well regarding the Mount Palomar

1012
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,079
Observatory

1013
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:03,599
so that's interesting he was he knew

1014
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:04,859
about that stuff

1015
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,260
so

1016
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:10,440
could you furnish me reports on say 10

1017
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:11,940
of the best sightings in the last five

1018
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,500
years which have been classified as

1019
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,540
unknowns as any regular procedure has

1020
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:17,040
been established to exchange UFO

1021
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,460
information with their allies wow we

1022
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,560
just watched a clip with the guy from

1023
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,619
space force answering this question

1024
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,599
have any of our allies issued official

1025
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,400
reports on UFOs

1026
00:42:35,390 --> 00:42:31,320
interesting how that works say so

1027
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:36,050
um

1028
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:38,760
so then here we have the Air Force

1029
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:42,060
blamed interest uh from Congress on

1030
00:42:48,290 --> 00:42:45,180
rupelt and then they debunked root belt

1031
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:48,300
to Henderson and this happens a lot

1032
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:51,720
where the Air Force blames Rue belt or

1033
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,060
or Kehoe Donald Kehoe on this stuff

1034
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,560
uh Secretary of Defense from Congressman

1035
00:43:02,410 --> 00:43:00,960
Henderson and your urgent request just

1036
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:02,420
received by addict for instance

1037
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:05,460
extensive info stats UFO cases and

1038
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:07,619
answers to questions or requested by Mr

1039
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,720
Anderson and required for personal

1040
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:12,300
briefing to be given to him confirming

1041
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:14,819
our telephone conversation impossible to

1042
00:43:22,609 --> 00:43:20,930
um before answering questions or

1043
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:22,619
providing info in order which they

1044
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,040
appear Mr McElroy a few facts concerning

1045
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:27,780
RuPaul this book should first be given

1046
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,119
in as much as it appears to be the basis

1047
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,640
for Congressional request to the

1048
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,099
Department of Defense

1049
00:43:41,690 --> 00:43:38,480
so this is what they say about Mr Rupert

1050
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,700
nice guy too nice hell of a guy and this

1051
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,040
is what they say as with any freelance

1052
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,440
author Mr rubel's theories opinions and

1053
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,540
conclusions are his own and not

1054
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:50,460
necessarily those of the Air Force his

1055
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,520
book was reviewed and passed on by USAF

1056
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,920
headquarters from a security Viewpoint

1057
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,319
only While most of the statements in his

1058
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,480
book are factual the inferences and

1059
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:02,220
implications that he attempts to leave

1060
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:04,440
are definitely questionable

1061
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:07,500
as project officer of UFO program rupelt

1062
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:09,060
has good knowledge and appreciation of

1063
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,920
various Technical and scientific Fields

1064
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,960
competent monitoring investigation

1065
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:14,940
studies collecting and correlating data

1066
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,220
for analysis and conclusion however he

1067
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,380
was not an expert in highly specialized

1068
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:21,680
Fields such as astrophysics

1069
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,599
meteorological Optics psychological

1070
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:26,640
influences etc for which the Air Forces

1071
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,960
relied on many scientists and

1072
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,040
specialists

1073
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,720
whose conclusions are considered more

1074
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:33,540
valid answers and info in order

1075
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,730
so

1076
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,540
they're trying to say root build is off

1077
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:48,119
his rocker

1078
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:55,069
we have more from this for a

1079
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:56,760
distribution by year and months that's

1080
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,680
unknowns by year and month

1081
00:45:02,930 --> 00:45:00,780
numerous times often involve very

1082
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:02,940
experienced radar operators this is a

1083
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,920
staining requirement for radar operators

1084
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:06,480
when the object considered you have own

1085
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,040
photo equipment available to talk about

1086
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,859
this question about the film of the

1087
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,079
radar stuff

1088
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,520
examples some time ago Navy rush to

1089
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:16,079
attic approximately three thousand feet

1090
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:18,180
of radar film of UFO observed and Far

1091
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:20,760
East also B-36 radar operator with 11

1092
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,200
years experience photographed

1093
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,240
exceptional sharp UFO showing on its

1094
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,680
screen while flying over the South

1095
00:45:31,609 --> 00:45:28,200
Atlantic analysis confirmed the identity

1096
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,619
identity of the UFOs

1097
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,079
um I can't see what that says

1098
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:37,200
um but they're basically saying that um

1099
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,200
yeah we pick up stuff on radar and it

1100
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,720
turns out to be nothing so that's what

1101
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,940
they're saying here

1102
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:47,280
then they continue to blame it on other

1103
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,140
things like

1104
00:45:53,329 --> 00:45:50,760
um you know

1105
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:53,339
um psychological reasons uh temperature

1106
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,560
inversion said worse weather light

1107
00:46:01,069 --> 00:45:58,560
exposure mistaken identity optical

1108
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:01,079
illusions

1109
00:46:10,490 --> 00:46:08,569
so it's interesting that you could see

1110
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:10,500
that when these Representatives go to

1111
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:12,060
the Air Force for this stuff they get

1112
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,180
told the same crap that they tell the

1113
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:19,970
there's a briefing the The Briefing Mr

1114
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:25,010
so they actually did the briefing on the

1115
00:46:31,490 --> 00:46:29,119
20th of June 1958 major Boland attacker

1116
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,500
and the scientific guy for the Air Force

1117
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:33,480
Archer and major Brian briefs of

1118
00:46:38,270 --> 00:46:35,099
following house members in the capital

1119
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:38,280
chamber of Representatives

1120
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:39,960
so you can see all the people that were

1121
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:42,660
there interesting that you see aids to

1122
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:45,060
certain Congress people we hear a lot

1123
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,220
about AIDS now the brief English

1124
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:49,680
response was prepared in response to a

1125
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,180
personal request by representative

1126
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:53,520
Henderson previously submitted a series

1127
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:56,520
of questions on UFOs

1128
00:46:59,569 --> 00:46:57,420
um

1129
00:47:02,089 --> 00:46:59,579
members of Congress are constantly

1130
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,099
besieged by constituents regarding UFOs

1131
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,260
by letter telephone and personal visits

1132
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:06,480
with rare exceptions such requests are

1133
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,819
forwarded to cepha for answer the lack

1134
00:47:12,290 --> 00:47:10,680
of information on UFOs professed by the

1135
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,300
congressman causes a certain amount of

1136
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,880
professional embarrassment as a result a

1137
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,319
great number of congressmen in their

1138
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,359
administrative aides have indicated an

1139
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:19,920
interest of first-hand information on

1140
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:24,420
UFOs saffell on the urging of cephis and

1141
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,420
afcin sees this opportunity to prepare a

1142
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,400
number of briefing graphs individual

1143
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,960
case histories and other related

1144
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:32,220
material

1145
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,180
uh

1146
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:35,040
that would give the reader a rather

1147
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,540
comprehensive knowledge of the subject

1148
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,880
these kids were submitted at the time of

1149
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,859
the object briefing it is expected that

1150
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:42,960
an additional request will be made for

1151
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,540
kids as word travels regarding their

1152
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,240
availability the Congressional audience

1153
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:50,339
was favorably impressed by the

1154
00:47:54,829 --> 00:47:52,560
presentation one apparent dedicated

1155
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:54,839
skeptic at the conclusion of the

1156
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,940
briefing professed his complete faith

1157
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:58,680
and confidence in the Air Force's

1158
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,319
handling of UFOs several members

1159
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,420
indicated that they were now prepared to

1160
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:05,400
deal directly with their constituents

1161
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:08,520
without calling on sapphill so the Air

1162
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:11,940
Force got some interest here and somehow

1163
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:13,859
turned it around so that the Congress

1164
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,380
people would want to deal directly with

1165
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,240
the UFO questions from their

1166
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:20,400
constituents and they gave them fact

1167
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:21,480
sheets

1168
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,920
and they took advantage of that

1169
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,660
opportunity as you can see they're like

1170
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,280
yeah here you deal with it here's the

1171
00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,380
fact sheets the subject briefing

1172
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:30,359
scheduled for one hour lasted the full

1173
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:32,099
morning which attested the Congressional

1174
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:35,099
interest in the subject the following is

1175
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:36,480
believed to have occurred from The

1176
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:37,980
Briefing with members expressing

1177
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:39,960
confidence

1178
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:42,900
in the Air Force UFO program

1179
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:45,060
an understanding of the problems of the

1180
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:46,920
Air Force faces and administering the

1181
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:50,220
program empathy they got empathy oh wow

1182
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,440
acceptance of responsibility to

1183
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:54,720
personally advise their constituents on

1184
00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,300
UFO matters they got them to accept the

1185
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:59,579
responsibility oh you want to learn more

1186
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:01,500
about UFOs oh why don't you take

1187
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,140
responsibility for dealing with your

1188
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,720
constituents on UFO as well agreement

1189
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:08,880
that it would be unwise to give the

1190
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:11,700
subject undue publicity particularly in

1191
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:13,260
open or close formal Congressional

1192
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,760
hearing wow

1193
00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,280
so they just uh

1194
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:19,619
totally

1195
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,020
distrust in private organizations and

1196
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:27,599
authors as giving undue impetus to the

1197
00:49:31,870 --> 00:49:29,099
existence of flying saucers and

1198
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:31,880
stimulating unfavorable public hysteria

1199
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,220
Donald Kehoe writing books Mr Archer

1200
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:37,859
addressed the the group as a technical

1201
00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:41,040
consultant blah blah blah blah blah blah

1202
00:49:45,950 --> 00:49:43,079
the excellent briefing material prepared

1203
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,960
by afci N4 and the personal attendance

1204
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,119
of Mr arshare who impressed the group

1205
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,640
with his profound Council

1206
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,520
deserve special note as reason for the

1207
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:56,400
success of this briefing

1208
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,500
it was successful because it didn't turn

1209
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,200
into a hearing so that's what successful

1210
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,710
so the Air Force is really doing a good

1211
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,599
job getting out of this stuff and then

1212
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,960
we have the 1958 McCormick subcommitted

1213
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,359
briefing

1214
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:17,339
good looking guy 45th speaker of the

1215
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:19,319
United States

1216
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:23,339
this I took uh is a news report actually

1217
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,900
out of the CIA for your reading room

1218
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:26,700
house leader John McCormick has

1219
00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,220
suggested the holding of house hearings

1220
00:50:33,770 --> 00:50:32,040
on UFOs McCormick made it clear that he

1221
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,780
believed some of these strange objects

1222
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:35,400
are real and that he has never been

1223
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,380
satisfied that they are the product of

1224
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:40,319
imagination that they are all familiar

1225
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:43,859
objects mistakenly identity

1226
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:46,920
but I don't okay

1227
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:49,079
um Air Force has publicly maintained

1228
00:50:52,809 --> 00:50:50,579
that all sightings are explainable as

1229
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:52,819
familiar objects such as stars meteors

1230
00:51:01,849 --> 00:50:57,119
blah blah blah

1231
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,130
um and here we go

1232
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:06,599
at the request the Air Force presented a

1233
00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:12,950
um and the subcommittee was advised of

1234
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,579
the extensive efforts of the Air Force

1235
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,619
to apply all possible scientific methods

1236
00:51:20,569 --> 00:51:18,960
of analysis and how this approached used

1237
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,579
in a timely fashion has reduced the

1238
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,140
number of sightings characterized as

1239
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,000
unknown to approximately three percent

1240
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:26,579
the total observations it was also

1241
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,099
stressed that the Air Force contrary to

1242
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,200
claims of many professional UFO our

1243
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:33,720
organizations as not and will not

1244
00:51:37,069 --> 00:51:35,160
suppress any evidence which will

1245
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,079
indicate that UFOs constitute a threat

1246
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,119
to the security of the U.S in addition

1247
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:41,280
the subcommittee was advised of the

1248
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:43,319
number of Civilian organizations engaged

1249
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,660
in UFO activities has risen to a total

1250
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,000
of 60. that the activities of these

1251
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:50,400
organizations and spectacular news

1252
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,140
reporting has caused the greatest

1253
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,020
problems in this field the subcommittee

1254
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,640
was asked several questions regarding

1255
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,380
Air Force methods of categorizing

1256
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:00,059
various sightings as either aircraft

1257
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:03,059
balloons insufficient data unknown Etc

1258
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:05,220
they were advised of certain specific

1259
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:06,839
cases which fell in these various

1260
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:09,420
categories again blaming it on the UFO

1261
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,300
organization stations Mr Arthur Captain

1262
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:14,040
Gregory presented a very well prepared

1263
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:15,540
briefing to the subcommittee and we're

1264
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:17,700
highly commended for their efforts at

1265
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,500
the close of the briefing the

1266
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,940
subcommittee members seem to be

1267
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:22,559
definitely pleased with the Air Force

1268
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:24,119
approach to this problem and were

1269
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,700
apparently satisfied with our results to

1270
00:52:30,650 --> 00:52:29,099
date during the course of the briefing

1271
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:30,660
chairman McCormick House select

1272
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:32,339
committee on astronautics and space

1273
00:52:36,349 --> 00:52:34,440
exploration stress the point that the

1274
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:36,359
subcommittee was not holding formal

1275
00:52:38,819 --> 00:52:44,930
on UFOs

1276
00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:48,290
so

1277
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:50,030
Air Force talking people out of doing

1278
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:51,240
hearings

1279
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,400
interesting hey

1280
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,520
very interesting so I'll get to kind of

1281
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,140
what I'm thinking by the end of this

1282
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,540
which we're not that far away

1283
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:02,160
uh

1284
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:05,160
interesting so in 58

1285
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:06,660
they were talking about these hearings

1286
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,119
McCormick and McCormick request that no

1287
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,359
publicity was given to the hearings very

1288
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:13,920
interesting

1289
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:16,920
so I think it's uh some book or

1290
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:18,780
something people think that this

1291
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,260
McCormick had an interest in in the UFO

1292
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:24,480
thing and having a hearing and then it

1293
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,800
just disappeared and it didn't happen

1294
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,140
and there's no reason given well that is

1295
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,720
not the case actually

1296
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,160
um what actually happened

1297
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:35,520
is they did a hearing slash briefing in

1298
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,859
private and it didn't get any publicity

1299
00:53:43,309 --> 00:53:40,380
they didn't tell anyone

1300
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,319
as we can see here August 8 1958

1301
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:45,660
briefing on the Air Force UFO program to

1302
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:48,180
the subcommittee

1303
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,559
so you have all these people

1304
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:54,470
opening remarks by representative

1305
00:54:02,210 --> 00:54:00,349
trying to get rid of this play button uh

1306
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,220
that the Air Force UFO program was not

1307
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:03,960
under investigation rather the committee

1308
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,640
was seeking additional information on

1309
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:07,920
upper space that would be helpful to the

1310
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:10,440
appropriate executive agency the hearing

1311
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,579
was in a closed secret session

1312
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,040
unrecorded names of witnesses to be held

1313
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:19,380
in confidence this cannot be guaranteed

1314
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,760
since congressmen are apt to

1315
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,680
inadvertently publicly reference witness

1316
00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,020
statements

1317
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:27,960
so it's important to know that that they

1318
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,079
didn't just not do the hearings all of a

1319
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,720
sudden they did the earrings except it

1320
00:54:39,410 --> 00:54:35,760
was in private

1321
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:41,450
and

1322
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,980
we don't know the witnesses their health

1323
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:45,780
and confidence

1324
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,480
uh Mr Usher as Chief spokesman reviewed

1325
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:51,119
the 10-year history blah blah blah and

1326
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:53,900
then they pretty much talk here about

1327
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,520
additional the hearings which began

1328
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:58,260
August 7th will continue through the

1329
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:01,020
week the 11th to 15th and we know

1330
00:55:06,109 --> 00:55:04,319
nothing about what these people said and

1331
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:06,119
who the other Witnesses were

1332
00:55:12,589 --> 00:55:07,980
that is not in here which is very

1333
00:55:16,730 --> 00:55:15,230
it's anticipated that afcin will benefit

1334
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,740
from the subject hearings due to

1335
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:18,240
approaching house elections the

1336
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:19,859
committee members May produce a public

1337
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:22,020
statement of note of confidence in the

1338
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,940
Air Force ensuring the public that the

1339
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:25,680
Air Force is not hiding any information

1340
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:28,559
on UFOs that's all they cared about

1341
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:30,000
tell the public we're not adding

1342
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,500
anything

1343
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:34,140
this is the actual briefing

1344
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:35,819
so you know it's interesting because

1345
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:39,780
very rarely do we get to peek in at a

1346
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:41,880
secret closed off hearing what did they

1347
00:55:45,890 --> 00:55:43,380
say to Congress

1348
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,900
they said a brief history of UFO program

1349
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:48,480
would I think help you understand some

1350
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:50,220
of its problems and determine its status

1351
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:53,640
the problem started in 47 June 27 of

1352
00:55:57,710 --> 00:55:55,800
that year private civilian flyer Kenneth

1353
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,720
Arnold

1354
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,520
um we know that he described them as

1355
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:02,160
flying saucers blah blah blah from this

1356
00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:04,980
date June 47 to February 49 when the

1357
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:06,839
name of the program is trained project

1358
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:10,079
Grudge approximately 375 UFO reports

1359
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:13,079
were collected and analyzed August 49 a

1360
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:14,760
report on the results was submitted to

1361
00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:16,859
authorities the average proportion of

1362
00:56:19,329 --> 00:56:18,300
sightings which could not be explained

1363
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,339
in other words

1364
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:21,119
unknowns for this period was

1365
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:23,520
approximately 20 percent which is

1366
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:28,970
um

1367
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:32,220
they could only positively identify at

1368
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:33,720
this time that they're discussing the

1369
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:35,940
Air Force they're giving misleading

1370
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:38,300
information to converse they could only

1371
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:42,420
positively identify seven percent

1372
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:46,200
of the UFO reports positively

1373
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,500
the others they were they're probable or

1374
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,059
possible

1375
00:56:55,609 --> 00:56:53,760
in their own words but here to Congress

1376
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,619
to Tamp down the issue

1377
00:57:00,170 --> 00:56:58,140
they just go with the 20 percent

1378
00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:00,180
they don't want to tell them that they

1379
00:57:04,910 --> 00:57:03,480
can't positively identify it the objects

1380
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,920
because that makes their problem a whole

1381
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:06,300
lot worse

1382
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:08,339
first misinterpretation of conventional

1383
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,900
objects such as aircraft balloons

1384
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:12,000
astronomical bodies atmospheric

1385
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,859
phenomena radar misfunctions and

1386
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:15,599
anomalies

1387
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:18,300
lack of proper categorization yeah

1388
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,160
because they don't have a category for

1389
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,800
interdimensional a second residual

1390
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,140
Warners they cross this out so you can

1391
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,079
tell this is a draft here and whoever is

1392
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,480
editing this or revising it is crossing

1393
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:32,400
that out don't say that

1394
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:35,339
since better methods have been developed

1395
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,980
okay so why would they cross out third

1396
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,839
hoaxes and publicity seeking that's

1397
00:57:44,690 --> 00:57:42,000
interesting fourth the actions of

1398
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:44,700
Psychopathic persons wow

1399
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,800
now those are serial killers my friend

1400
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,200
in December 49 these findings were

1401
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,839
released to the public by DOD we're

1402
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,000
given wide publicity by the Press I'm

1403
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:00,349
so here again in the bottom right hand

1404
00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:02,760
corner you can see that they blame the

1405
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,800
press and authors

1406
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:07,140
they say the increase in activity was

1407
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,420
due to the emphasis placed on UFOs by

1408
00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:12,839
the press and publicity and possibly due

1409
00:58:21,170 --> 00:58:19,730
oh right because it's so maybe they got

1410
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:21,180
more UFOs because they have more people

1411
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:22,559
looking

1412
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:27,170
um

1413
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:28,680
foreign

1414
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:31,740
they are they're always blaming the UFO

1415
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:33,240
guys

1416
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,680
always

1417
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:36,780
that's just so unfortunate

1418
00:58:40,089 --> 00:58:39,480
but we can see that they're kind of like

1419
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:40,099
um

1420
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,549
the peak year

1421
00:58:50,569 --> 00:58:48,480
um yeah so here we go Air Force blames

1422
00:58:53,210 --> 00:58:50,579
hysteria and shows effort by citing

1423
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:53,220
Robertson panel so in this briefing

1424
00:59:01,309 --> 00:58:57,680
they blame uh hysteria writers the Press

1425
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:01,319
rupelt Kehoe and it then they try to

1426
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,960
basically tell Henderson or McCormick

1427
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,240
the subcommittee uh they've put in Forth

1428
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:08,579
such an effort with people smarter than

1429
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:11,700
them that said that there's nothing to

1430
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,140
this

1431
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:15,119
because when you do that when you take

1432
00:59:18,609 --> 00:59:17,099
the decision off yourself and you put it

1433
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:18,619
on somebody else

1434
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:21,660
people can't be mad at you

1435
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:23,819
right so they put together the Robinson

1436
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:30,109
now they're applauded for doing the

1437
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:31,740
right thing

1438
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:34,260
and if there's any blame to be had they

1439
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,430
the panel was formed it consists of 16

1440
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:42,240
of the most distinguished scientists and

1441
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,500
authorities in the field of physics

1442
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,780
radar geophysics atomic energy astronomy

1443
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:47,640
Rockets got a missile signed blah blah

1444
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,099
blah blah their conclusion were that

1445
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:52,440
UFOs held no direct physical threat were

1446
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:54,059
not foreign developments of capable of

1447
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:56,339
hostile acts on the United States and

1448
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:58,740
we're not unknown phenomena requiring

1449
01:00:02,809 --> 01:00:00,180
the revision of current scientific

1450
01:00:05,650 --> 01:00:02,819
Concepts interesting thing here is they

1451
01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:05,660
also don't tell them what the Robertson

1452
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:09,299
panel is really afraid of at least based

1453
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:12,180
on the CIA CIA documents which was a lot

1454
01:00:16,609 --> 01:00:13,920
of UFO calls saturating their

1455
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:16,619
communication channels jamming them up

1456
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:19,140
which would be a disaster in case of a

1457
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,460
real Attack

1458
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:22,380
why don't they tell them that it's

1459
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:28,130
they're the use of so this is really

1460
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:29,880
interesting because I don't know that a

1461
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:32,640
lot whole lot of people knew this and I

1462
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,640
didn't know it really either

1463
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,069
I'm gonna move my head here so you guys

1464
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,140
can check this out

1465
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:47,040
okay third the use of us so they're

1466
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:48,299
going through the different things Blue

1467
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:51,000
Book does or whatever and one of the

1468
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,099
things is this Air Force's camera plan

1469
01:00:57,289 --> 01:00:55,079
and Battelle third the use of a special

1470
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:57,299
camera known as a video on camera this

1471
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:59,339
breaks down the light and the light

1472
01:01:03,410 --> 01:01:01,859
received from any object into its

1473
01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:03,420
components thus permitting the

1474
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,059
determination of the elements of which

1475
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:08,700
the object is composed 75 of these

1476
01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:10,680
cameras were placed in radar stations

1477
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:14,579
and control Towers throughout the U.S

1478
01:01:20,569 --> 01:01:17,339
they put those up they tried to film

1479
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,030
they didn't tell anybody that

1480
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:25,200
they told these people

1481
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:28,140
it's congressman

1482
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,180
they didn't tell the public

1483
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:32,280
fourth the submission of all UFO data

1484
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:34,260
collected since 47 the scientists in and

1485
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:35,520
out of the Air Force to determine

1486
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,839
whether or not a trend or pattern

1487
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:38,460
existed to indicate the nature of

1488
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,859
existence of the so-called flank saucers

1489
01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:42,480
this program is handled by the Battelle

1490
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:45,180
Memorial Institute Patel Memorial

1491
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,220
Institute comes up time and time again

1492
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:49,680
they deserve their own episode though

1493
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:53,880
so I can't get into it too far here

1494
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:01,250
Air Force denies everything I put at the

1495
01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:04,200
top okay so yeah the main talking points

1496
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:06,059
are what they told Henderson in the

1497
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,339
briefing first there's a total lack of

1498
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:11,520
evidence that these unknowns were uh in

1499
01:02:16,609 --> 01:02:14,460
a magical or hostile or a threat to the

1500
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:16,619
security of the country second there's a

1501
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:17,940
total lack of evidence that these

1502
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,160
unknowns were interplanetary spaceships

1503
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,200
there there's a total lack of evidence

1504
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,079
that these unknowns represented

1505
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:26,400
technological developments or principles

1506
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,960
outside the range of our present-day

1507
01:02:32,329 --> 01:02:30,540
scientific knowledge

1508
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:32,339
see

1509
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,470
you know these are the main talking

1510
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:42,240
points from the Air Force let's see how

1511
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,740
these things change

1512
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,020
are these talking points the same or are

1513
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,760
they not the same

1514
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,859
are they going to continue with there's

1515
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,200
no threat I think that's a little

1516
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:54,079
different right now for whatever reason

1517
01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:56,760
second there's a total lack of evidence

1518
01:03:00,289 --> 01:02:58,440
that the unknowns were interplanetary

1519
01:03:05,329 --> 01:03:00,299
spaceships are we gonna hear something

1520
01:03:09,170 --> 01:03:07,549
and third there's a total lack of

1521
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:09,180
evidence that the unknowns represented

1522
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:11,099
technological developments or principles

1523
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:12,599
outside the range of our present-day

1524
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:14,579
scientific knowledge if you want to know

1525
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:16,140
if things are changing

1526
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:19,440
we got to see what Kirkpatrick says in

1527
01:03:22,870 --> 01:03:21,540
relation to these points that the Air

1528
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:22,880
Force always

1529
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:26,280
stuck by stood by and died on

1530
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:32,569
but see this is another reason the Air

1531
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:34,020
Force doesn't want to get involved with

1532
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,460
any of this stuff and they just want to

1533
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,500
shut up because they've said this over

1534
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:39,839
and over and over again and you can't

1535
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,640
just change your mind and say oh we

1536
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:43,980
wasted all that money all that time we

1537
01:03:48,349 --> 01:03:45,240
were wrong

1538
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:48,359
there is a threat or there is evidence

1539
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:50,760
that they're interplanetary

1540
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,520
how do you do that

1541
01:03:57,410 --> 01:03:55,559
Air Force continues to blame you if all

1542
01:04:00,730 --> 01:03:57,420
organizations Verizon sightings in the

1543
01:04:05,089 --> 01:04:02,990
during the last few years an increase in

1544
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:05,099
UFO reports has been noted paralleling

1545
01:04:08,870 --> 01:04:06,660
this increase there has been a great

1546
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:08,880
increase in the number of private UFO

1547
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:11,760
organizations books Motion Pictures and

1548
01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,640
TV presentations on the subject

1549
01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:16,500
the Adventist Sputnik undoubtedly

1550
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:19,740
contributed I agree with that one

1551
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:21,960
this Sputnik did contribute and you can

1552
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:23,760
tell by looking at the UFO stats and

1553
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,420
reports dramatic increase after Sputnik

1554
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:30,480
uh two years or so ago there was only a

1555
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:32,099
handful of these self-appointed research

1556
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:34,200
organizations dedicated to investigating

1557
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:37,020
an analysis of UFOs at the as of this

1558
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:38,400
state there are more than 50 such

1559
01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:42,720
organizations of which we have knowledge

1560
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,059
yeah so

1561
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:47,760
keeping track of them huh

1562
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:55,130
uh some films and some some stuff going

1563
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:02,569
and continue

1564
01:05:08,750 --> 01:05:06,839
to hit on the UFO organizations

1565
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:08,760
a number of these private organizations

1566
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,200
have written directly to President

1567
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,180
Eisenhower General White's Secretary of

1568
01:05:15,170 --> 01:05:13,920
Defense into important members of the

1569
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,180
legislative branch of Congress

1570
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,799
requesting or demanding hearings

1571
01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:19,200
briefings or discussions with UFO

1572
01:05:24,589 --> 01:05:21,480
project officials

1573
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:24,599
we have written detailed letters to

1574
01:05:28,609 --> 01:05:27,000
whatever officials regarding aspects of

1575
01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:28,619
the UFO program which have been brought

1576
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:30,359
to their attention by so-called UFO

1577
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:34,880
Specialists so they're saying

1578
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:37,980
what uh Green Street or Mick West say

1579
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:39,960
right now what they're saying is that

1580
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:42,059
these representatives are getting the

1581
01:05:50,510 --> 01:05:45,240
wool pulling over their eyes

1582
01:05:55,069 --> 01:05:53,150
that's what they say about the Congress

1583
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,079
people now

1584
01:06:01,010 --> 01:05:57,839
getting the world pulled over their eyes

1585
01:06:02,450 --> 01:06:01,020
by Lou Elizondo although these UFO

1586
01:06:04,010 --> 01:06:02,460
organizations include sincere

1587
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,020
well-meaning members are experienced in

1588
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,720
discussions with sponsors as of such

1589
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,640
organizations has shown that any Air

1590
01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:10,859
Force explanations or statements are

1591
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,079
either totally unacceptable or are met

1592
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:16,079
at least with calculated skepticism our

1593
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:18,119
explanations and statements are either

1594
01:06:22,730 --> 01:06:20,520
misinterpreted misquoted exaggerated or

1595
01:06:26,450 --> 01:06:22,740
used out of context all to the detriment

1596
01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:28,609
and then they said I think we'd be more

1597
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:30,599
impressed by all this if it were not so

1598
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:35,990
how profitable could it really be

1599
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:38,220
I'm sure some people have made some some

1600
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,440
money but um

1601
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:42,780
so they're blaming UFO organizations and

1602
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:49,609
um

1603
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:54,420
I don't really need to get into any more

1604
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:58,500
of them bashing UFO organizations

1605
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:01,020
because pretty much

1606
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,480
that's all we've been talking about

1607
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:05,760
so then we have the 1960 Congressional

1608
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:09,420
briefings Mr R smart

1609
01:07:16,190 --> 01:07:12,119
um during the week of the 11th 15th this

1610
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:16,200
is 1960 July 1960 briefings on UAP we're

1611
01:07:20,809 --> 01:07:17,760
giving to members of the senate

1612
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:20,819
committee on preparedness house Armed

1613
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:23,220
Forces Committee house science and

1614
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:27,660
astronautics committee and the CIA

1615
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,180
they always show up don't they these

1616
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:31,920
briefings were prompted in part by the

1617
01:07:37,069 --> 01:07:35,220
claims of private UFL organizations

1618
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:37,079
that Air Force investigation of

1619
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,660
sightings left something to be desired a

1620
01:07:42,829 --> 01:07:41,520
result of these briefings is that edic

1621
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,839
we'll investigate sightings which give

1622
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,220
an indication of having special

1623
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:46,319
significance

1624
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,220
so this briefing

1625
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:52,319
the Air Force always had a way of doing

1626
01:07:56,029 --> 01:07:54,599
this if they were put in a spot they

1627
01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,039
didn't want to be in with us like these

1628
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,680
briefings they found a way to turn it

1629
01:08:02,510 --> 01:08:00,000
around

1630
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,520
um to their benefit so for instance this

1631
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:04,559
happens and they get a raise they get

1632
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,660
more money they get more money to

1633
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:08,940
investigate deeper

1634
01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:14,569
they look into it the Air Force

1635
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:16,859
complains basically that they don't have

1636
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:18,060
enough money and they just get more

1637
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:20,040
budget so you guys are screwing up well

1638
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:22,140
here's more budget they gave more money

1639
01:08:25,370 --> 01:08:23,640
to heinek

1640
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:25,380
they had more money so that they could

1641
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,679
investigate uh sightings quicker it's

1642
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:30,600
like people from attic at wright-person

1643
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,000
Air Force Base could actually go to the

1644
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:36,719
site of special sightings

1645
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:39,179
versus the UFO officer that was located

1646
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:41,160
at the Air Force Base

1647
01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:47,329
um CIA took UFO phone call and didn't

1648
01:08:52,430 --> 01:08:49,020
tell Air Force and this is just a little

1649
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,440
tidbit uh major friend June 7th advised

1650
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:54,420
him that there's very strong possibility

1651
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:55,859
that a congressional hearing will be

1652
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:57,540
called on UFO the particular area of

1653
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:59,339
concern is with the lack of adequate

1654
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,739
investigation major Tacker indicated

1655
01:09:05,209 --> 01:09:03,420
that during major Friends next trip to

1656
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,219
Washington it might be profitable to sit

1657
01:09:10,729 --> 01:09:07,679
down with L L I don't know who that is

1658
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:10,739
by the way lnl and discuss the situation

1659
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,500
the specific incident which was probably

1660
01:09:17,329 --> 01:09:15,600
the cause for this concern was a case

1661
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,339
which was brought to the attention of a

1662
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:19,980
Virginia congressman and had not been

1663
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,900
reported to Attic by Langley Air Force

1664
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:24,060
Base Langley Air Force Base was

1665
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,279
contacted by phone and they gave their

1666
01:09:31,550 --> 01:09:28,319
reason for not reporting the incident as

1667
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:31,560
fact so it's Air Force Base it's not CIA

1668
01:09:34,189 --> 01:09:33,710
sorry about that

1669
01:09:35,329 --> 01:09:34,199
[Music]

1670
01:09:37,729 --> 01:09:35,339
um

1671
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,739
screwed that up screwed that one up so

1672
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:39,839
Langley Air Force Base

1673
01:09:44,990 --> 01:09:41,880
um and what happened is

1674
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:45,000
so basically this private

1675
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:47,100
um who reads like the UFO magazine or

1676
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:48,060
whatever

1677
01:09:52,370 --> 01:09:49,859
wound up

1678
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:52,380
uh reading one of uh keyhoe's ads in

1679
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:53,940
there for like Congressional hearings

1680
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:55,880
and reach out and all that kind of stuff

1681
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,660
and so he reported this UFO to Langley

1682
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:02,880
Air Force Base and they didn't share it

1683
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:04,800
with Wright-Patt because the guy was

1684
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,620
apparently a Serial reporter

1685
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:09,840
UFO reporter and they didn't take it

1686
01:10:16,010 --> 01:10:13,440
seriously but they blamed that report in

1687
01:10:19,729 --> 01:10:16,020
the guy reporting it on the ad that

1688
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,290
so

1689
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,340
interesting proposed hearing 61

1690
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:25,920
including Mr Heinz visit

1691
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:28,380
Mr Hines was the technical assistant on

1692
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:29,640
House Committee of Science and

1693
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:32,580
astronautics

1694
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:34,980
so he actually visited Wright-Patterson

1695
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:37,500
Air Force Base

1696
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:39,300
yeah

1697
01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:42,840
so an article appeared this is 61 that

1698
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:51,470
and unofficial sources have at the

1699
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,640
congressman Joseph karth Minnesota the

1700
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:55,679
house science and astronomics committee

1701
01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:57,540
Congressman over to Brooke

1702
01:11:03,470 --> 01:10:59,940
blah blah blah so what happened with

1703
01:11:07,490 --> 01:11:03,480
this one is it pretty interesting so

1704
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:07,500
this karth guy is interested in

1705
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,380
um having hearings so what he does is he

1706
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,719
sends down this Pines

1707
01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:15,360
this assistant to Wright-Patterson Air

1708
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:18,120
Force Base to kind of get briefed by FTD

1709
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,280
or I think it was a foreign technology

1710
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:22,400
division at this time possibly

1711
01:11:29,810 --> 01:11:25,560
so to get briefed by them and basically

1712
01:11:34,430 --> 01:11:31,370
and

1713
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:34,440
all of a sudden karth is just completely

1714
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,060
not interested anymore in having the

1715
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,679
hearings so the Air Force people

1716
01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:40,080
whatever they said to Heinz the

1717
01:11:45,649 --> 01:11:41,820
assistant at Ray Patterson

1718
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:45,659
uh which I think if we go through this a

1719
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:47,880
little bit he blamed they blamed Keough

1720
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:48,900
on it

1721
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:51,060
and then karth wound up writing a letter

1722
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:54,540
to Kehoe which basically was uh pretty

1723
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,060
vicious like ripping him to shreds

1724
01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:58,560
saying that he's just trying to take

1725
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:00,420
down the Air Force

1726
01:12:09,169 --> 01:12:07,490
so it's interesting because and here it

1727
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:09,179
is I've read with interest a copy of

1728
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:10,620
your letter to Chairman over Brooks

1729
01:12:14,209 --> 01:12:12,179
including suggested hearing plans

1730
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,219
perhaps I've been misled in this whole

1731
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:16,320
business of UFO however it was my belief

1732
01:12:21,530 --> 01:12:18,360
that you your organization others like

1733
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:21,540
it actually had proof that UFOs did in

1734
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:24,840
fact exist that you would be prepared to

1735
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:26,100
prove this during the course of the

1736
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,260
hearings and further that UFOs were not

1737
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,900
merely the result of spacer atmospheric

1738
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:32,640
phenomena but actually we're craftive

1739
01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:36,060
sorts from other planets I was sadly

1740
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,860
disappointed as I read your proposed

1741
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:39,840
plan suggestions and viewpoints I can't

1742
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:42,960
help but feel after so reading that your

1743
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:45,840
primary if not sole objective is to be

1744
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:48,840
Little D Fame ridicule with the least

1745
01:12:53,570 --> 01:12:51,480
possible publicity you say and thereby

1746
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:53,580
caused the U.S Air Force embarrassment

1747
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:56,940
unless they bear to you and others all

1748
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,010
and then he goes on to say that I will

1749
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:06,239
do anything in my power to stop these

1750
01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:07,460
hearings

1751
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:10,500
yeah if I have anything to say about it

1752
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:12,420
your terms conditions and suggestions

1753
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:15,420
will not be accepted

1754
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:16,620
foreign

1755
01:13:22,189 --> 01:13:20,940
so the Air Force really uh brainwashed

1756
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:22,199
I guess

1757
01:13:27,890 --> 01:13:24,840
uh Heinz who then brainwashed this guy

1758
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:27,900
so there's 1960 and they didn't do the

1759
01:13:34,669 --> 01:13:31,199
hearings by the way so 1963 Congressman

1760
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,709
so he looks into it a little bit for

1761
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,239
hearings

1762
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:41,280
again we have apparently major keyhoes

1763
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,980
appealed to members of nicap through the

1764
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:45,840
organization bulletin UFO investigator

1765
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:47,820
director Congressman requesting hearings

1766
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:51,540
has had at least one response

1767
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:54,120
uh we believe that sapphill staff should

1768
01:13:58,250 --> 01:13:56,040
be appraised of this in previous

1769
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:58,260
attempts by manager Kehoe to discredit

1770
01:14:01,790 --> 01:13:59,940
the Air Force

1771
01:14:04,430 --> 01:14:01,800
and bring about Congressional hearings

1772
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:04,440
on the UFO program

1773
01:14:08,590 --> 01:14:06,360
two why did this happen well it was

1774
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,600
partly due to the efforts of private UFO

1775
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,800
organizations there have been two

1776
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:12,540
briefings on UFO programs for

1777
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,760
Congressional subcommittees

1778
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:17,040
man

1779
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:20,580
I think we're almost done with this here

1780
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:24,140
this one's kind of uh hard to read but

1781
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:26,520
strenuous efforts

1782
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,040
by Major Kehoe a self-styled UFO

1783
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:31,199
investigator and others like him to

1784
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,060
discredit the Air Force's handling of

1785
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:36,300
the UFO program if resulted in two

1786
01:14:39,590 --> 01:14:37,739
Congressional briefings and numerous

1787
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:39,600
queries for information from the members

1788
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:40,860
of Congress

1789
01:14:50,330 --> 01:14:48,229
a later effort of major keos to

1790
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:50,340
instigate a hearing on UFOs by the house

1791
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:51,960
space and astronautics committee during

1792
01:14:57,290 --> 01:14:54,600
the summer of 61 was unsuccessful

1793
01:14:59,570 --> 01:14:57,300
incorrect they actually had the hearings

1794
01:15:02,330 --> 01:14:59,580
but in private with no publicity as we

1795
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:04,669
um Congressman karth of this committee

1796
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,460
sent Mr Heinz a staff consultant oh wait

1797
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:10,080
no I'm getting my stuff messed up sorry

1798
01:15:13,250 --> 01:15:11,699
there's too many briefings here I'm

1799
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:13,260
screwing up

1800
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:15,480
disregard what I said

1801
01:15:19,610 --> 01:15:17,340
Joseph kartha this committee sent Mr

1802
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,620
Hines a staff consultant FDD to collect

1803
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:21,120
background information regarding the Air

1804
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,649
Mr karth determined that the Air Force's

1805
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:29,760
approach to the program was proper and

1806
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:33,060
the major key host charges

1807
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:35,640
were without of mishandling were without

1808
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:36,780
grounds

1809
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:42,370
in a little more mean way than that

1810
01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:44,219
there have been two Congressional

1811
01:15:48,110 --> 01:15:46,020
briefings on the program blah blah

1812
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:48,120
during the summer 61 we're successful

1813
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:49,620
Okay so

1814
01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:57,410
during the summer of 1961 we were

1815
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:01,260
successful in preventing a hearing

1816
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:04,440
by briefing Mr Richard Hines a staff

1817
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,820
member of the House space and

1818
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:08,640
Aeronautics committee

1819
01:16:13,250 --> 01:16:10,739
they talked a bunch of crap about Keo

1820
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:13,260
the Air Force did to this Heinz when he

1821
01:16:17,570 --> 01:16:14,820
visited them at Wright-Patterson Air

1822
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:20,330
karth sends a nasty letter to Keo says

1823
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:21,719
forget the hearings forget your letter

1824
01:16:28,189 --> 01:16:25,080
your ideas I'm not interested

1825
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,199
the Air Force says we were successful in

1826
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:31,020
preventing a hearing by briefing Mr

1827
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:32,340
Richard

1828
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:42,590
so it goes a few years and then we have

1829
01:16:52,130 --> 01:16:49,970
interesting thing about Ford is this was

1830
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:52,140
a this was during swamp gas all that

1831
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:53,460
kind of stuff right

1832
01:16:57,770 --> 01:16:55,920
swamp gas case in Michigan

1833
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,780
he said in the light of these new

1834
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:59,760
sightings and incidents Ford said it

1835
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,380
would be a very wholesome thing for a

1836
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,120
committee of Congress to conduct a

1837
01:17:07,070 --> 01:17:04,800
number of hearings to call responsible

1838
01:17:08,990 --> 01:17:07,080
Witnesses from the executive branch of

1839
01:17:10,570 --> 01:17:09,000
the government and Witnesses

1840
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:10,580
who

1841
01:17:15,470 --> 01:17:14,040
said they have cited these objects

1842
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:15,480
so he calls

1843
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,420
for an investigation

1844
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:20,880
hearings

1845
01:17:26,090 --> 01:17:23,460
he didn't like

1846
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,100
the swamp gas he said that was bullcrap

1847
01:17:30,770 --> 01:17:28,560
by heineck he wrote another press

1848
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,780
release he said as expected some people

1849
01:17:34,910 --> 01:17:32,400
have ridiculed my call for a

1850
01:17:36,830 --> 01:17:34,920
congressional investigation of UFOs

1851
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:36,840
these people are a fraction of those who

1852
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:38,760
have given me their reaction to my

1853
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:41,040
proposal the overwhelming majority of

1854
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:43,020
those expressing a view in letters to me

1855
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,000
believe a congressional investigation

1856
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:47,760
would be useful and is needed

1857
01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:49,860
those who scoff at the idea of

1858
01:17:53,330 --> 01:17:51,719
congressional investigation of UFO's

1859
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:53,340
apparently are unaware that the house

1860
01:17:56,570 --> 01:17:55,380
armed services committee has scheduled a

1861
01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,580
closed door hearing on the matter

1862
01:18:01,729 --> 01:17:59,100
Tuesday with the Air Force and that rep

1863
01:18:03,410 --> 01:18:01,739
carth Minnesota headed a three-man

1864
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,420
subcommittee which held two days of

1865
01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:05,699
hush-hush hearings five years ago

1866
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:07,500
on behalf of the house science and

1867
01:18:10,850 --> 01:18:09,420
astronautics committee Karthik confirmed

1868
01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:10,860
in conversation with the member of my

1869
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:12,540
staff that he conducted these secret

1870
01:18:17,689 --> 01:18:15,360
hearings now what there's some sort of

1871
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:17,699
lie going on here because we just looked

1872
01:18:22,189 --> 01:18:19,739
at the carth thing

1873
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:22,199
right and he said Kehoe no not

1874
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:24,480
interested Heinz went to Ray Patterson

1875
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:27,600
for a day but here

1876
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:30,780
Cheryl Ford says that karth confirmed to

1877
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,940
him in conversation that they had secret

1878
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:35,520
hearings five years ago three men

1879
01:18:40,850 --> 01:18:37,500
committee over the course of two days

1880
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,860
Hush Hush hearings as we learned karth

1881
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:43,199
didn't want publicity he wanted to be a

1882
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:44,159
hush

1883
01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:46,860
so I think maybe Heinz was Ray Patterson

1884
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,020
for a couple days and that was it I

1885
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,640
don't know

1886
01:18:55,810 --> 01:18:52,320
a little conflicting though so I'm

1887
01:18:59,229 --> 01:18:55,820
interested if I could see karth saying

1888
01:19:03,169 --> 01:18:59,239
to Ford at that time as this comes up

1889
01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:03,179
saying that he did do a hearing

1890
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:05,400
otherwise it might look like he kind of

1891
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,100
dropped the ball as obviously the Flying

1892
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:10,800
Saucer problem continued and nothing was

1893
01:19:19,330 --> 01:19:15,709
and the Air Force kept up with the same

1894
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:21,590
so then

1895
01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:26,390
um

1896
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:30,840
they do hearings and basically the

1897
01:19:36,290 --> 01:19:34,260
the end goal of it was

1898
01:19:38,030 --> 01:19:36,300
Air Force denied it all basically we

1899
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:38,040
have no outer space guests Air Force

1900
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:39,840
secretary tells Congressman Air Force

1901
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:42,120
basically denied everything

1902
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:43,739
you know

1903
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:46,380
and they wound up doing the Condon

1904
01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:52,790
and the condom committee so

1905
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:57,780
that was born out of the 66 hearings uh

1906
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:01,320
what I wanted to actually yeah so

1907
01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:02,820
I'm going to read this statement by

1908
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:04,980
Gerald Ford the Air Force has informed

1909
01:20:09,649 --> 01:20:07,679
me it is arranging for a study by High

1910
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:09,659
Caliber scientists of some of the UFO

1911
01:20:13,130 --> 01:20:11,219
sightings which have never been

1912
01:20:15,770 --> 01:20:13,140
explained this study will be placed

1913
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:15,780
under contract soon after July 1st start

1914
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:17,340
of the new fiscal year will be carried

1915
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:19,020
out by University which has no close

1916
01:20:22,250 --> 01:20:20,580
ties with the Air Force so that the

1917
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:22,260
findings will be completely objective

1918
01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:28,910
those people engaged in the study will

1919
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:30,360
be High Caliber scientists who have

1920
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:32,820
never taken a position on UFO so this is

1921
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:35,340
really just a Robertson panel all over

1922
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:38,820
again let's give it to somebody else

1923
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:41,520
so whatever they say we can just put the

1924
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:43,320
result on them and we don't have to deal

1925
01:20:50,209 --> 01:20:48,350
um

1926
01:20:53,570 --> 01:20:50,219
and then what happens is the counter

1927
01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:53,580
report happens and they shut down the

1928
01:20:58,210 --> 01:20:56,520
UFO investigation as far as the public

1929
01:21:01,610 --> 01:20:58,220
is concerned

1930
01:21:06,110 --> 01:21:03,709
so

1931
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:06,120
that I can't believe I got through it

1932
01:21:11,149 --> 01:21:09,060
all because that's a lot of information

1933
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:11,159
but we got through it

1934
01:21:20,810 --> 01:21:12,960
um

1935
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:23,209
and Congressional interest in them as

1936
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:25,320
far as hearings and all that such and

1937
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:26,760
all that goes so I hope you got

1938
01:21:32,090 --> 01:21:28,860
something out of it I think what we can

1939
01:21:35,689 --> 01:21:32,100
take away from this is the Air Force

1940
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,699
blamed UFO organizations for all their

1941
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,719
problems

1942
01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:38,400
with Congress

1943
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:41,340
this is all the UFO organizations fault

1944
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:43,620
Kehoe

1945
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,380
um even once rubell

1946
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:48,960
they deny everything

1947
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even in the secret briefings

1948
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the deny to the congressman

1949
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:57,719
they had 75 cameras set up

1950
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that could track UFOs

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um

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so

1953
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pretty interesting but you can see that

1954
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the Air Force just always stood up

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01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:09,000
Congress

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um

1957
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you know they never went into the

1958
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:13,980
interesting cases

1959
01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,020
of like what that they called like

1960
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:18,900
anomalous propagation even like where

1961
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:20,580
there actually sometimes was a visual

1962
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:22,620
sighting too they never went over those

1963
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,659
really interesting cases with these

1964
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:26,580
people that's what we're all interested

1965
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in is the unknowns

1966
01:22:32,570 --> 01:22:30,719
you know

1967
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like

1968
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when we're asking questions at these

1969
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:36,540
hearings for instance what we need to

1970
01:22:41,209 --> 01:22:39,120
ask is about what they don't know or

1971
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:41,219
what they can't do

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you know

1973
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:46,440
so we have things that show a crazy

1974
01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:48,360
flight characteristics that we track on

1975
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:49,800
radar okay

1976
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that's what we need to talk about

1977
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:55,020
it's in the reports talk about it

1978
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:56,940
chillebrand ask them

1979
01:23:01,250 --> 01:23:00,000
another thing that like I don't know how

1980
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you can not

1981
01:23:04,850 --> 01:23:03,420
it's a congressperson on this committee

1982
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:04,860
emerging threats

1983
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,080
how can you not ask about crash

1984
01:23:12,169 --> 01:23:09,600
retrievals or whistleblowers who have

1985
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:12,179
come to Kirkpatrick and told him that

1986
01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:14,640
because we have gotten

1987
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:17,400
I lost track but I think we got like six

1988
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:19,260
or seven people

1989
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,420
like cold Hearts Gary null and other

1990
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:24,239
people all saying that Kirkpatrick was

1991
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:26,640
briefed or whistleblowers went to

1992
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:29,640
Kirkpatrick about crashcraft and reverse

1993
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:31,500
engineering programs

1994
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:34,620
you have to ask about it you have to ask

1995
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,980
about it you know it's everybody's

1996
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:40,080
saying it that they know this person

1997
01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:43,980
told them ask her Patrick you have to

1998
01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:46,500
you know

1999
01:23:51,890 --> 01:23:48,780
um I think it'd be silly not to because

2000
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:51,900
at this point if you are gillibrand or

2001
01:23:57,169 --> 01:23:54,060
somebody else you could say you know

2002
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:57,179
it's been said

2003
01:24:01,370 --> 01:23:58,679
that you've been briefed by

2004
01:24:04,970 --> 01:24:01,380
whistleblowers who have knowledge or

2005
01:24:09,729 --> 01:24:04,980
participated in a UFO crash program in

2006
01:24:09,739 --> 01:24:14,810
you gotta ask that so

2007
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:17,450
with that being said

2008
01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:19,080
um

2009
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,179
I think I'm gonna get out of here

2010
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:24,000
because I'm back tomorrow with you in

2011
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,699
the morning don't you get sick of me

2012
01:24:30,110 --> 01:24:28,560
a lot of reading a lot of information we

2013
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:30,120
went through today

2014
01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:33,360
but the hearing history has been on my

2015
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:34,920
mind like I wanted to do a show or an

2016
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:37,260
article or something on that

2017
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:38,100
um

2018
01:24:41,090 --> 01:24:39,120
because there's a lot of information

2019
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,100
there so

2020
01:24:45,169 --> 01:24:42,719
I wanted to do that this is a good

2021
01:24:47,950 --> 01:24:45,179
excuse to go through those uh documents

2022
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:47,960
and be done with it once and for all

2023
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:51,120
so yeah thanks for being here so I can

2024
01:24:53,450 --> 01:24:52,800
do that

2025
01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:53,460
um

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01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:56,100
tomorrow I believe I'm gonna start

2027
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,900
streaming at

2028
01:25:03,169 --> 01:25:00,480
nine o'clock Central

2029
01:25:05,930 --> 01:25:03,179
so at least on their website for the

2030
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:05,940
hearing it says 11 30 a.m and I'm

2031
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,580
guessing that's East Coast time

2032
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:11,040
which would be 10 30 or no it says 10 30

2033
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,060
A.M

2034
01:25:17,090 --> 01:25:15,120
so I'm guessing that's East Coast time 9

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01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:17,100
30 Central we'll start at nine and a

2036
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,480
half hour beforehand we'll see how it

2037
01:25:24,610 --> 01:25:23,209
either way

2038
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,620
we're gonna have a good time

2039
01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:26,880
expectations for tomorrow I think it's

2040
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:28,380
going to be up to you know a lot of

2041
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,300
people are putting the onus on Sean

2042
01:25:34,490 --> 01:25:32,400
kirpatrick but that's and that's fine

2043
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,500
but that's assuming that Congress is is

2044
01:25:39,050 --> 01:25:36,239
going to ask or the Senate's going to

2045
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:39,060
ask the the right questions

2046
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:41,340
you know so he can be up there all day

2047
01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:43,020
long but if no one's asking the right

2048
01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:44,100
questions

2049
01:25:47,870 --> 01:25:45,900
it's not going to make a difference so

2050
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,880
hopefully they ask the right questions

2051
01:25:52,209 --> 01:25:50,040
and that they're answered truthfully

2052
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,219
aware of certain

2053
01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:55,199
contractors or Duty programs

2054
01:26:00,410 --> 01:25:57,540
um that he tried to get Fuller access to

2055
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:00,420
and was denied access to

2056
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:02,699
um so you're not aware of that I'm a

2057
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,440
malware Congressman uh in my 10 seconds

2058
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:06,000
remaining then I guess I just would ask

2059
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:07,679
Mr chairman unanimous consent to enter

2060
01:26:16,689 --> 01:26:13,430
without objection thank you Mr chairman

2061
01:26:22,570 --> 01:26:20,209
blunt Graham and Heinrich have just put

2062
01:26:26,209 --> 01:26:22,580
their political future

2063
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:26,219
connected to it the unfolding of the

2064
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:29,840
choose embargo itself this is not

2065
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:35,120
1969. this is another place all together

2066
01:26:43,580 --> 01:26:38,520
more than 50 years ago the U.S